BlackRose says: It is difficult to merely speak about Genitorture, it is lots
easier to show you what I am doing, but tonight we'll have to do with words 
alone.
BlackRose asks: Any immediate questions before we begin?
Sirena asks: ?
MistressKim asks: Sirena?
Sirena asks: isn't it safer to be properly trained in the techniques and
wiser?
Sirena asks: i know your hints are helpful...but are there ppl who actually 
train dommes/dom's to do this?
BlackRose says: yes, it is always best to be trained, but it is sometimes
easier to train with hands-on experience
Sirena nods...
BlackRose says: Sirena, it is very important to be trained RL.  I often work
with domm/mes to help them learn techniques
MistressKim exclaims: Ok, Rose, as usual, has prepared presentation that I'll
cut and paste. We'll pause for questions periodically. Away we go!

Genitorture is the act of focusing your play on the Genitals for pain/pleasure.  
Those who play with females often use the terms Cunt Torture or Cunt Play and 
those who play with males often refer to CBT - Cock and Ball Torture.  While 
they all sound ominous, these scene can be done with novices as well as those 
who like to play on the far edge as long as you know your partners level and 
your own skills. 

To properly prepare for genital play, one must first be aware of the safety 
issues and precautions in general and specific to these activities.

Safe sex should be your watchword with whomever and wherever you play.  A 
healthy supply of gloves, dental dams and condoms should be the first things you 
pack for a genitorture scene.  While you may play only with your body-fluids-
monogamous partner, be aware that you are leaving her/his fluids on the 
equipment you use.  Be prepared to clean up after your scene.  If the host does 
not provide cleaning supplies, keep a bottle of alcohol or some cleaning 
antiseptic in your bag.  Bring a tarp, sheet or large towel to place under you 
bottoms bottom.

Most large parties have safe sex trash receptacles for used gloves and condoms.  
If one is not provided, be sure to take care in depositing such articles.  I 
keep a plastic grocery type bag that I use for disposal of such things.  Be sure 
to tie it tightly and either deposit it in the garbage can yourself, or ask your 
host what s/he prefers you do with the bag. 

Bodily fluids are not just ejaculate and blood.  Don't forget sweat, pus, saliva 
piss and shit.  Sticking an uncovered hand inside a bodily orifice is dangerous 
to both players.  We seldom notice the tiny nicks and scratches on our skin that 
are so often present.  Cover all insertables with condoms or make them one-
person-only toys.  If you allow others to play with your bottom  protect him or 
her.  Be sure to insist that invitees use gloves, condoms and lube.

Blood has some special considerations of its own in these activities.  The 
insides of the vagina and anus are made of very delicate tissue.  Long and/or 
rough fingernails can cause scratches and cuts that not only can be 
uncomfortable, but can also make both parties susceptible to infection.  Be sure 
to file you nails well before inserting you hand in anyone even if you are 
wearing a glove.  Nails can tear gloves.  Women with long nails look sexy, but 
can be dangerous in unintended ways.  Put cotton balls in the fingertips of your 
gloves before putting them on to protect yourself and your partner.

If you play with women, there is another issue that becomes important  
menstruation.  Should you or shouldnt you?  You certainly may do so from a 
safety perspective, but consider your partner.  Some women cannot bear any type 
of pressure in the vaginal area or to the nipples when they have their periods.  
Be sensitive to their conditions if you want to play with them again.

Some players find that using menstruating women just as they would at other 
times of the month strengthens and reasserts ownership issues and rights.  If 
the sub is contracted to you, and your contract does not prohibit such play, you 
can "take" your pleasure with the sub anytime.  Many women find it incredible 
humiliating.  Imagine being strapped to a table at a party and having you Dom 
pull the tampex from your cunt in front of everyone there.

Amanda asks: ?
BlackRose asks: Amanda?

Amanda says: just a comment <grin
Amanda exclaims: i loved that cottonball tip...its the kind of thing that makes 
these discussion groups extra helpful!!  its nice to know you can look nice and 
be safe too <grin

BlackRose exclaims: Thanks, it is especially nice to look good and be safe
When you play!

Flame asks: ?
BlackRose asks: Flame?

Flame asks: would double gloving work as well?
BlackRose says: Not with fingernails, no.  Double gloving is always a good idea, 
but long nails can be sharp enough to go through 2 layers 
BlackRose asks: lashes?

lashes says: I would worry about the sensitivity at the ends of long
nails.  I should think that those with long nails need to be extra careful not 
to go too deeply
BlackRose says: yes, that can be a problem, especially with fake nails,
Always be sure you can tell where you are
lashes says: thats what I meant

There is one other issue that involves blood safety - the shaved pussy or cock.  
Shaved is beautiful, humiliating.  It makes one more sensitive, vulnerable.  But 
it can also be more dangerous.  Every time we shave, we leave tiny cuts and open 
spots on the skin.  It is as easy to cut oneself when shaving a pussy as it is 
when shaving a face.  This is merely another reason to use safe sex precautions.  
BTW, some consider genital shaving scenes part of genitorture  and they are, but 
I believe shaving is a scene unto itself and will not cover any other specifics 
here.

Keeping your genitorture toys and devices clean is a must.  I keep big sealable 
plastic bags marked "used" in my toy bag.  Whenever I use one of my implements 
on someone, I store it in the used bag so I know it needs to be cleaned.

Amanda asks: ?
TankBoy asks: ?
BlackRose asks: Amanda?

Amanda asks: what do you recommend for cleaning? anything special?
BlackRose says: It's coming up next
Amanda grins, ok, thank you

BlackRose asks: tankBoy?
Sirena asks: ?

TankBoy says: my question/comment is that is it a good idea to use condoms on 
vibrators/buttplugs etc during play, such that cleaning becomes easier etc?
BlackRose says: absolutely TankBoy

BlackRose asks: Sirena?
Sirena asks: should u clean an item even if you are planning to use it on the 
same bottom again later on in the scene?
Sirena asks: is the alcohol harmful inside the bottom?

BlackRose says: Depends on what the item is.  Some toys can just be recovered 
with a condom.  Others might need to be rinsed with alcohol just to be sure
BlackRose says: Alcohol should not be a problem with most people

darius asks: ?
BlackRose asks: darius?
Flame asks: ?

darius says: A comment on sirena's question: Surgical alcohol is about 180/190 
proof. It can seriously damange sensitive skin.

BlackRose says: Most people will know if they have a problem with alcohol

BlackRose asks: flame?
Flame says: would drinking alchohal be better then 
BlackRose says: Flame, no it wold not

If you have access to an autoclave, be sure to steam your toys after every use.  
There are other methods as well.  You can boil metal toys in plain water for 20 
minutes.  There are also cold sterilization products on the market such as 
Wavicide.  If all else fails, a 10-1 water and bleach solution is also 
acceptable.  Remember though, that the HIV virus is fragile and easily 
destroyed, but hepatitis is a lot hardier.

You can always avoid the need for special cleaning if you have one-person-toys.  
If you only play with one partner, this may not be greatly expensive;  however, 
for those of us who play with lots of folks, it is usually cheaper to simply 
keep cleaning products available.

Finally we come to our friend -- lube.  One can never have or use enough lube 
when doing certain genitorture scenes.  I cannot stress the need for lube 
enough.  Always use more than you think you need.  It wipes off. Lube can make 
your job easier.  Lube helps you avoid internal injuries to your partner.  If a 
sub finds that a dreaded activity (such as anal fisting) isnt so bad because you 
used lots of lube, s/he is much more likely to want to try it again.

One precaution, some women can develop vaginal infections if lube isnt washed 
off soon after a scene.  If you enjoy the humiliation of the cleaning scene, use 
washcloths and warm soapy water.  If not, send you sub to clean herself once you 
have both "come down" from the scene.

There are several other pre-scene issues that are important to understand.  As 
with all BDSM activities, TRUST is essential to genitorture.  After all, the 
bottom is placing his/her most sensitive and important parts at the mercy of the 
top.  It takes a lot of trust to be able to do that.

Establishing trust enough to get your partner to consent to genitorture is good, 
but that trust must be maintained.  We often find our partners are willing in 
the abstract, but become frightened, overwhelmed or unbearably uncomfortable in 
reality.  Maintaining voice connection throughout your scene is helpful to the 
bottom.

Talk to him/her.  Remind your partner that it gives you pleasure to do what you 
are doing.  Tell her she is soooo brave.  Tell him how hot he makes you.  Listen 
to your bottoms breathing, sighs and moans.  Watch body language.  This can be 
very intense play.  Sometimes a clip or clamp can be very annoying where it is 
placed, but can quickly become pleasurable if moved a fraction of an inch.

TankBoy asks: ?

My friend Nancy always asks, "Which hurts more?  When I put it here?  Or here?"  
Depending on her bottom, she may use the more painful spot or the least painful 
one.  Either way, when playing a new scene for you or for your partner, it 
always helps to explore what is good and what is bad either as you go along, or 
in post mortem snuggling discussions.

BlackRose asks: tankboy?

TankBoy asks: flogging.... and clamping, guidelines?
BlackRose says: flogging guidelines are coming up later, as for clamps, you
Have to be careful and watch the clamped area for changes in color and 
temperature

Vulnerability is a big factor in genitorture.  My scenes often involve exposing 
a body completely -- shaved, arms outstretched above the head, legs spread and 
bound with knees slightly bent, cunt lips held back with some nasty device.   It 
makes my partner extremely vulnerable and open to the eyes, ears and touch of 
anyone (at least in her mind) who is present.  That fear, and the fear of the 
unknown act which will soon be done upon her/his body increases the intensity of 
the genitorture scene.

Atmosphere is very important when doing a genitorture scene. You want to create 
the right mix of comfort and apprehension to add drama and pleasure to your 
scene.  The first consideration is temperature of the room.

Always think of the bottom first.  You may get warm and sweaty during an intense 
scene, but make the room comfortably warm for their naked, fearful bottom.  If 
your partner is too cold or too hot s/he can drop out of subspace quickly and 
not care a twit for what you are doing.

Lighting is equally important.  Candles and ambient lighting make a romantic 
setting for torture.  Harsh overhead lighting can add to the feeling of a 
laboratory or clinic for medical scenes.  Either way, what is important is that 
the top has enough light to see what s/he is doing and the results thereof.  I 
used to carry a flashlight in my genitorture bag until two Christmases ago, when 
someone gave me a lamp attached to a head harness which looks something like an 
old miners light.  It slips right over my head and the light sits on my forehead 
and is adjustable.  It gives me perfect spotting on the area on which I am 
working and allows me to play these scenes in soft atmospheric lighting.

Because of the intimate nature of genitorture scenes, one must consider where to 
do the scene.  Should it be done privately where just the two of you can enjoy 
it, or are you exhibitionists?  Do s/he like to have people watch?  Do you enjoy 
showing off your treasured sub and what s/he will take for
you?  One way to accomplish both is to blindfold your sub and tell her/him that 
you have invited several others to come in and watch and (maybe) participate. 

GypsyQueen asks: ?

I am an exhibitionist and I love showing off subs, but I usually save 
genitorture for smaller gatherings or for one on one play. Whichever you prefer, 
demand proper behavior from those around.  Dont let anyone comment loudly or 
insult your sub (unless humiliation is part of your scene) and by all means 
preclude anyone except those you may invite from touching your sub

BlackRose asks: GQ?
GypsyQueen says: well getting back to not sharing toys...
GypsyQueen says: there is the matter also of not...exposing things from one hole 
to another some may not know about
GypsyQueen says: to put it bluntly

BlackRose says: So true, never, ever go from the anus to the vagina with a toy
without changing condoms
BlackRose says: or with your fingers, for that matter

Amanda asks: ?
BlackRose asks: Amanda?
Amanda says: i just want to applaud your mention of the importance of verbal 
encouragement. too many seem to forget how important a simple 'you pleased me'
can be during/after a scene

Nubienne asks: ?

It is mandatory for the top to be familiar with the anatomy s/he will be playing 
with.  Get some good books and study the structure of cocks and cunts.  You need 
to know what the various parts are, how they function and what they are called.  
It is much more fun to open a woman wide with a speculum and exclaim "Oh, what a 
pretty smiling cervix you have," then to say "nice cunt."  A lot of men have 
never seen the inside of a woman. When I do demos, I often invite the gathering 
to come up and examine my models private parts and I let them wear my light so 
they can get a good look.  Most are amazed and ask very good questions.

Flame asks: ?

If you play with women, you are going to want to pay particular attention to the 
clitoris.  Once again we are all different.  Some are big and bright, others shy 
and small.  Some sit right out in the open and others have to be coaxed.  Take 
your time learning about your partners clit. Observe her every reaction.  Some 
womens clits have a tendency to "run away" or "hide."   If this happens, dont 
despair;  be patient.  Take the time to gently excite her.  Tease her lips, lick 
her a few times, whatever it takes to get her really turned on and relaxed.  
Once you do, that little clit will come back for more!

Just as we are all slightly different anatomically, we all have different levels 
of intensity we can tolerate on our clits.  Some women can only bear the 
lightest touch and others want heavy handling, biting and sucking.  Find out 
what works best if the intent of your scene is pleasure rather than punishment.  
Quite honestly, genitorture should never, in my opinion, be used as punishment 
for an errant sub or slave.  It is too risky.

BlackRose asks: nubienne?
Nubienne asks: Yes, you mentioned ppl you invited-- any pointers or rules of 
thumb regarding how to avoid problems in that regard?

BlackRose says: Nubienne, always be sure that you have negotiated inviting 
others into the scene and never invite anyone who's style and ability you Have 
not had the opportunity to judge
BlackRose says: And feel free to "disinvite" someone who violates any of your 
own rules and limits

BlackRose asks: now please flame?
Flame says: a comment on gloves the powdered gloves cane abrade the skin
Flame says: the powder tears up hand Skin and should not be used on more 
sensitive areas
BlackRose says: I avoid powdered gloves always

BlackRose says: Nubienne, also be sure the invitee knows the negotiations and 
the safeword

Obviously, playing with men requires similar knowledge of the cock and balls.  
Take the time to get to know your partners cock.  They vary maybe even more than 
clits.  Men also vary in how much actual stimulation they can bear on their 
cocks and balls.  Some love heavy squeezing on the cock but can only take the 
lightest of touches on the balls.  Some love heavy ball torture, but only light 
teasing on the cock itself.  A lot may depend on whether the cock is cut or not.  
The extra skin on an intact cock adds some "protection" from painful  
stimulation.

Don't forget--breasts are genis (thats my affectionate name for genitals) too!  
Use the whole body when preparing a genitorture scene.  Plan for tit torture as 
well as for the lower genis.  The same precautions for differences in anatomy 
and sensitivity apply to breasts too.

Penetration by object or body part is often a major part of genitorture.  Be 
sure that your partner is ready before you insert anything.  Once again --use 
your lube!  Start small.  If you want to use butt plugs, try a small one first 
and work up.  Men, remember that most of you have BIG hands. Womens vaginas and 
the anuses of both sexes need a little time to work up to being fisted.  Take 
your time.  You do not have to do everything the first scene.

Sometimes penetration is painful not because the object is too big, but because 
the bottom is not primed.  If you find that to be the case, back off trying 
insertion and begin stimulating the outside of the area again, gently adding a 
finger or two as you go along.  With patience, youll be successful.

Genitorture scenes are not something to be rushed through. Set aside enough time 
for both of you to thoroughly enjoy yourselves. Comfort is important  you are 
both going to be there awhile.

Position your partner so s/her may relax and maintain a comfortable posture.  
How flexible is s/he?  Some bottoms can hold themselves in poses that look 
terribly painful to others.  Some need bondage to maintain position.  Dont 
forget to check on extremities held for long periods of time in one place.  
Massaging the muscles even while the body is bound can lessen stiffness.

Give yourself comfort too.  I like a small stool or chair sometimes because I 
have arthritis in my left foot.  I also like to move around and pay attention to 
the whole body so nothing feels neglected.  I need to plan my space to give 
myself enough room to get around my partner.

Where should these scenes be done?  How should the body be positioned?  I prefer 
my partner supine, but a sitting bottom can have her/his genis tortured just as 
well. There are many surfaces that work well for genitorture.  Medical tables, 
bondage tables and massage tables are excellent. Slings are very nice because 
not only do they give you full access, they have the added stimulation of 
suspension which adds to the intensity and the vulnerability felt by the bottom.  
Beds can be used quite well as long as you position yourselves for best access 
and comfort.  Couches are acceptable if that is all you have, but they do not 
afford as much access.  If all else fails, you an also use the floor.

I take care that the surface of the table or whatever I am using is not causing 
any discomfort.  Cold metal can be a bother;  wood may cause splinters.   
Blankets, sheets, towels and tarps are not only good for safety reasons, they 
also help make your sub more comfortable and that helps him/her last longer.  I 
often put a pillow under the sub's head too.

Varmit asks: ?
BlackRose asks: a question, varmit?

Varmit asks: back to the point of "prepping" for penetration.  this is something 
the sub could work on before the "scene" possibly?
Varmit says: or
Varmit says: how long does the "steretching" maintain effect

Sirena asks: ?

BlackRose says: Well, that depends, varmit.  I like to do the prepping for 
insertion myself, but I suppose you could have the sub be building up the 
stretching before you actually do a scene and it depends on the sub and how 
often you insert large items how long the streching lasts 
Varmit nods

BlackRose says: sirena, you're next
Sirena asks: when its the subs first time being fisted any tips on making the
process easier and more comfortable besides lube? examples perhaps??

Sirena asks: and is their an easier openng to fist such as anal vs vaginal?

BlackRose exclaims: sirena, fisting is a lecture and DEMO all to itself.  But 
quickly, besides lube, patience is your best tool as the top.  help the sub stay 
relaxed, don't force your hand, wait for her/him to adjust to each new movement, 
it is not something to be rushed.  I think vaginal is easier, because
at some point, the vagina just sucks the fist right in  And for those who 
haven't ever fisted a women -- just wait till you make her cum with your fist 
inside and feel her walls squeeze around your wrist!

TomDLux asks: ?
BlackRose asks: Tom?

TomDLux says: Anuses are intended to expel small things, vagina pass babies, 
though after hours of perparations, so it should be easier

Sirena asks: ?
BlackRose asks: sirena?

Sirena asks: after fisting a sub once, will the vaginal opening return to its 
previous size?

BlackRose says: yes, for most people -- one of my partners is fisted almost 
daily and she is accommodating, but always returns to a more normal size within
8 hours

MistressKim exclaims: We're running a bit behind...so bear with us. <smile
Yes, there's more!

Genitorture can be done merely with the hands, tongue and mouth;  however, the 
more intense, stimulating scenes often require the right tools for the task. 
There are many categories of equipment that lend themselves to this type of 
play.

My favorite is medical toys.  If you are going to play with a woman, you need to 
invest in a speculum.  Better yet, by a box of disposable plastic ones.  If you 
dont know what it is, a speculum is a duckbill shaped instrument that scissors 
open to spread and hold open the vagina.  They come in many sizes from juvenile 
to extra large.  They are hideously humiliating to most women.

I use lots of forceps too.  These are great as clamps.  I often attach four pair 
of forceps to the outer lips and tie them down to the table with rope or string 
through the finger holes.  They also work great as stimulators.  Most are thin, 
long and easily slide into a vagina or anus. Once inside, they can be opened a 
little or a lot and gently run around the inner walls or rubbed across a clit.  
Be sure of your edges  sharp is bad!  If you want to tone down the intensity of 
your forceps, you can dip the tips in liquid rubber.

For men, sounds and catheters are excellent choices.  A nice set of sounds may 
be expensive, but try using the thinner ones to insert in the urethra.  One of 
the most amazing scenes I ever witnessed involved a substitute for a sound.  The 
Domme inserted a long rubber fishing lure into her sub's urethra, then began to 
masturbate him.  When she ordered him to come, the lure shot out across the 
room.

MistressBlade asks: ?
BlackRose asks: MsBlade?

MistressBlade asks: Could you tell us what a sound is please?

BlackRose says: a sound is a medical device made a steel which is long and 
slightly curve and use to stretch the inner surfaces of men (and women) for  
medical applications
BlackRose says: They come in very thin to very thick (the biggest I have is 
about 1" in diameter 

I use piercing as genitorture sometimes, so needles are good equipment to have.  
Tuning forks are fun --especially used in concert with forceps.  Insert the 
forceps and open them, or attach to the lips.  Tap the tuning fork to begin the 
ringing and gently touch it to the forceps and watch the vibrations drive your 
sub crazy.  Neurowheels (Wartenburg wheels) are one of the best toys you can own 
for any scene.  Running those sharp little needles over tender flesh always gets 
a reaction.

There are many electrical medical devices that are good for genitorture.  I use 
my TENS unit just above the vaginal slit of a women while doing other 
stimulation.  With men, suctioning the TENS ends to the balls is intensely 
stimulating.

For those who love role-play, having surgical gowns, caps, shoe covers and other 
medical accouterments in the room, adds to the reality when you are doing a 
medical experiment/torture scene.

BlackRose asks: Voltaire?
Voltaire asks: What's a TENS unit?

BlackRose says: It is an electrical device which has suction cups attached
to a small generator which send a pulse of electricity to muscles -- they are 
used a lot in orthopedics and chiropractic 

One can never have too many clips and clamps.  Their variety of shape, color, 
textures and purpose make them excellent for varying the intensity and duration 
of a scene.  Adding weights to clamps on nipples, lips, clits (not for the faint 
of heart) or balls is often part of a genitorture scene.

I have a variety of ropes, thongs, strings and ribbons for geni play.  Stronger 
fabrics like ropes for general bondage and lighter ones for tying open forceps, 
tying around balls, lips, and the occasional clit.  Use your imagination.  Make 
pretty, painful packages of your slaves!

TomDLux asks: ?

Cock rings, ball stretchers and crushes are de rigeuer for CBT.  Parachutes make 
great weight holders and the kinds with prickers inside add to the pain that you 
may wish to inflict.

Dildoes, vibrators and butt plugs are a requirement for my genitorture scenes.  
One of my favorite scenes with a woman is to put her in bondage, tie her lips 
open, tease her lips with various stimuli, insert ben wah balls or eggs into her 
open cunt and then use a vibrator on her externally, forbidding orgasm for long 
periods of time.

BlackRose asks: do you have a question, tom?

TomDLux says: A good cock torture toy is those things you use to break open
soft-boiled eggs . .move the scissors and the points move in ... good for
terrifying innocent men

BlackRose exclaims: yes, but be very careful with those things!

Flagellation toys are lots of fun, but must be used with care.  It is not safe 
to use your wickedest cane on a cock, or your thuddiest flogger on female 
breasts.  Choose cunt or cock whips instead.  Shorter, less dense tails can 
sting but with lesser impact on the more sensitivity parts.  I have little ones 
in leather, plastic, suede and rubber that I only use for genital impact.

At Black Rose we do a whole lecture on playing in the kitchen.  Suffice it to 
say that there are many household items that are excellent genitorture devices.  
Lemon squeezers, nutcrackers, skewers, snail tongs, wooden tongs, chopsticks and 
rubber bands are great.  Abrasion is a wicked form of pain/pleasure.  Use cheese 
or ginger graters on tender vaginal lips or balls.  Emory paper pasted to a 
paint stirrer can be run over nipples, cockheads, lips, etc. for incredible 
stimulation.

Taking away some senses and increasing the stimulation of others is always a 
great addition to any scene.  To force a sub to be more sensitive to touch, 
insert earplugs and use blindfolds.  The use of sensations in your scene can 
also make it special.  Exposed genitals and anuses can be iced or smeared with 
tiger balm, oils, etc.  Remember, however, when using oils and products with 
oils (like toothpaste) to keep them on the external areas only.  Some oils can 
cause infection if they penetrate mucous membranes. 

Piercing is another lecture altogether, but it is part of geni play.  I will not 
go into great detail about the process, but I use butterflying of genitals as a 
finale to genitorture scenes.  The outer skin of cocks, and the labia may be 
pinned to a corkboard much like a butterfly is displayed by a collector.  The 
scene can be elaborated upon by adding ribbons or bright strings woven between 
the needles.  Nipple piercings may be attached to labia or cock piercings with 
strings or thongs.  You can intensify the scene again by then using the vibrator 
on your sub's interior or masturbating a cock with your fingertips.  Or you can 
weave the needles with flash string and set them on fire with a beautiful 
whoosh!

BlackRose asks: any last questions?
Nubienne asks: ?
BlackRose asks: Nubienne?

Nubienne asks: I have some doubts about how to avoid injury when performing anal 
stimulation (but plugs and the like). Andy pointers?

Voltaire asks: ?

Nubienne asks: Like, what are the chances of injury, how to avoid them, etc.?

BlackRose says: lube as I said and patience are the most important
BlackRose says: Chances are great in anal fisting if you aren't careful. Learn 
the anatomy.  Go slow. You may only get one or two fingers in the first time, 
and maybe only three the next.  One day, you'll get all the way in.

BlackRose asks: Voitaire?
Voltaire asks: Another rather elementary question from me, I'm sorry. What is
flash string, and where does one get it?

BlackRose says: Flash string, cotton and paper are magician's toys and can be 
purchased at any magic supply house

Voltaire asks: What do they do?

BlackRose says: Voltaire, when you touch a flame to the end, the paper r
String flashes in a split second with almost no heat on the skin -- but it can 
leave a slight red mark

Voltaire nods.  thank you :)

Sirena asks: ?
BlackRose asks: sirena?

Sirena asks: if the sub is not shaven couldnt it catch the pubic hairs afire?
Sirena asks: or chest hairs?

BlackRose says: It sure could, so you must either shave her first or keep a wet 
cloth handy top wipe her down.  To avoid problems, I always have my subs shave 
prior to the scene

Sirena nods...
Sirena says: thought so

Finding evilly delicious ways to safely torture a partners genitals is fun and 
forces us to use our imagination.  From as simple a scene as removing the 
leather cock ring that has been holding your hair in a ponytail and placing it 
tightly around a cock, to relentlessly stimulating a clit without release for 
hours, genitorture can be exciting for every players experience level.  Find out 
what works for you and play safe. 

blush smiles at Blackrose
Sinead says: Thank you very much BlackRose
Voltaire smiles at BlackRose.
BlackRose says: My pleasure, Sinead
Rachel applauds
Shasha says: Thank you BlackRose
Madeline smiles
MistressBlade applauds!
BlackRose says: You are welcome
BlackRose says: I enjoy this forum and can stay for a few more questions if 
anyone has any

Voltaire raises his hand.

Amanda exclaims: thank you so much rose <smile that was an *amazing* group!

blush says: i do..well they are for Nostromo..but i do

Voltaire asks: You mentioned fisting being a discussion all in itself.  If there 
hasn't been one already, would you be willing to hold a discussion group
on the topic? :)

BlackRose says: I'd be glad too, but I think there are others more qualified

Amanda says: we are going to have to boot everyone <smile> we are heading
towards a crash here

BlackRose says: thanks everyone
Amanda exclaims: thank you all for coming!
Voltaire says: Thank you, BlackRose :)
Sinead says: Thank you again
Amanda says: and thank you rose, for your usual wonderful group :)
Varmit smiles..  thanks BlackRose
Amanda says: the group will be posted on the web page..um..eventually <grin

<sadly, the discussion group was cut short for questions, due to technical mumbo 
jumbo.  Rose invites you to email her with any questins>