GypsyQueen says: hey desdimona Alyana snugs lavicka and Snake Lavicka grins and gropes for what she can grope Snake chuckles Alyana woohoos MoonClaw is attending a knot tying class. --- Desdimona grins Samantha comes in cheering and clapping for Desdimona Alyana hides under the blanket. Desdimona chuckles Amanda jumps up on the stage Amanda exclaims: welcome everyone! Amanda says: we are going to be going with formal rules tonight Amanda says: if you arent sure what that means, do a .read Amanda exclaims: since we are starting late, i wont do a lengthy intro Lavicka giggles Amanda exclaims: so without further ado....i give you Desdimona! Samantha claps Amanda applauds and runs to get a good seat Enigma says: nice gift... Desdimona smiles and takes the spotlight Samantha scoots over for Amanda to sit beside her in the front row with a GOOD view Desdimona says: I want to thank all of you for coming tonight. This is the first time I've ever led a discussion, so please, bear with me :) Amanda grins encouragingly at Desdimona Sweetheart wanders in. Desdimona says: Fire... wow, where to start. It's one of the most primitive things that will set off a fear response in any and all species of animal. The heat of it, the smell of it.. sets off that fight/flight response. Anselm wanders in. Desdimona says: As a psychology student, and as a Domme, I have found fire to be a fascinating aspect of BDSM play. There is nothing better, for me, than to see the look in a sub's eyes when I spray them with alcohol, than take a torch to them. Amanda shivers Samantha closes her eyes for a moment and gulps Desdimona says: Pain doesn't always have to be a part of BDSM. The psychological response is just as gratifying as seeing a sub wince from a singletail, or a flogger, or whatever. Desdimona says: Fire play, if done right, is NOT painful. In fact, it feels like warm, soft velvet being run over your body. The paradox of seeing someone run a torch along various body parts is intriguing to me. The body feels no pain, yet the mind is screaming to run Desdimona says: like hell. :) Lavicka bites her lip and listens carefully Samantha nods about the running like hell part MoonClaw smiles Snake smiles Snake kisses Lavicka's head and listens Desdimona says: First thing you want to do, is make sure your sub is NOT fire-phobic. Thatg's a good way to end up in the hospital if s/he freaks out. Snake nods Desdimona says: Second, you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS, want another person there as a spotter. When you spray the sub down with alcohol, there may be places where it drips (I recommend a *light* misting) and when lit up, may miss those spots that catch fire. Snake asks: Bring a fire extinguisher, eh? Lavicka shivers Desdimona says: When torching the sub, don't let the flame rest too long on one place.. that will burn the sub, and personally, I wouldn't want to be the one explaining what happened at the emergency room :) Anselm asks: ? Desdimona says: yes, Anselm Anselm asks: Snake says 'fire extinguisher', but wouldn't a fire-retardant blanket be better? Anselm says: Since you don't always know whether the chemicals in an extinguisher are suitable for use on skin. Desdimona says: Actually, carpets are fire-retardent Desdimona says: and yes, a blanket is always recommended to be on hand ryck wanders in. Anselm nods. "Thank you." Enigma asks: ? Desdimona says: Anyway. Supplies for fireplay- rubbing alcohol, a small spray bottle, torches, a shallow bowl, blanket. Desdimona asks: Yes, Enigma? Enigma asks: what sort of atomizer or misting spray bottle is used? Enigma asks: and what do you ignite with? Desdimona says: a small spray bottle, like you see at beauty salons... Desdimona says: I am coming to that... Enigma asks: like a windex bottle, with pump sprayer? Desdimona says: yes Enigma nods Desdimona says: To start out, set up your supplies on a table next to where you are scening. Preferable out of the way so an arm or leg can't catch it and knock it over. Desdimona says: Candles are good sources of flame, so have one lit and set on the table as well Desdimona says: put a little bit of alcohol in the bowl, just enough to fill it 1/4 full. You take your torch, and cdip it in the bowl. Don't saturate it so that it drips... Desdimona says: Light the torch with the candle... and then you are prepared to commence play. Lavicka asks: ? Desdimona says: The sub should be standing, legs slightly apart, knees slightly bent to keep them from locking (in case sub goes into shock) Amanda asks: ? Desdimona says: Arms should be straight out to the sides, and if the sub has long hair, put it up so it is out of the way Enigma asks: please describe the torch, how big? made of what? Anselm asks: ? Amanda whispers ? to enigma Desdimona says: Take the torch, and run it along the sub's arms, and chest, back, buttocks, and legs. Avoid the private areas... I try to avoid them, in case of an 'accident' Lavicka whinces Samantha asks: ? Desdimona says: Also, don't touch the torch to the skin, just let the flame run along it Desdimona says: And, only let the torch burn for a few seconds at a time, put it out, dampen it with alcohol again, and start over. Make sure you move the flame quickly, as to avoid burns. Desdimona asks: Ok, I will take a break and answer questions? Amanda says: lavicka has the first question Lavicka smiles Lavicka asks: ok.. the torches.. are these something you buy? make? Desdimona pants from being so long-winded Lavicka can just see everyone flocking to the store to buy a torch and having to explain Snake laughs Flame wanders in. Desdimona says: You can do both. I personally get mine from a proDomme friend who makes them. You can buy them in SF at Mr S leathers.. but I do not like those.. they are too big Lavicka asks: ok... so you want something smaller than like say.. a juggling torch? Desdimona says: Yes... I like them to be about 14 inches long... Lavicka nods, 'ok thanks' Elysia wanders in. Amanda asks: the next question is mine...what about body hair? do you have the sub shave the area you are going to flame, or is the fire cool enough not to burn it? Elysia exits quietly. Desdimona says: Ok, I prefer the sub to be shaved, personally. The hair on arms/legs, wherever, *will* scorch some... but as I said, you move the flame rapidly over the body Amanda shivers, and nods, thank you Amanda says: enigma has the next question Anselm thinks about his own hairy chest and winces. Desdimona nods.. enigma? Enigma asks: the torch....is only one used, and what is it made of? paper? cotton? cloth? Desdimona says: Ok, the torch is made of a stick. If you've seen kite sticks (the round ones), you know what I'm talking about. My friend puts a cotton gauze patch on the very end Desdimona says: in order to hold the alcohol Twig wanders in. Desdimona asks: anything else, enigma? Enigma says: no, thx Amanda says: anselm has the next question Desdimona says: you don't want a huge patch for the fire... Desdimona nods Anselm asks: It sounds like you're letting a lot of surface area be on fire at once... arms, back, and so on... presumably you can do a smaller area as well, yes? And that area should of course be agreed upon with the sub beforehand? Desdimona exclaims: EEE GADS! no, you only do small parts at once! you can run the torch along the arms, but on the body, you touch the torch quickly to the body, pat the flame out, and repeat Desdimona says: and yes, ALWAYS negotiate with the sub before any scene Anselm says: OK. I wasn't sure from what you were saying, and I wanted confirmation. Desdimona nods Amanda says: sam, you have the last question for this pause period Samantha asks: how long do you usually let the flame burn for? I don't think it could burn THAT long before it really started to burn Desdimona nods. Right. You touch the torch to the area, and IMMEDIATELY pat it out... you do NOT want it to burn for any length of time Desdimona takes a breath and continues on.. :) Enigma asks: ? Desdimona says: I say to only let the cotton on the end of the torch burn for a few seconds so that the cotton itself doesn't burn. When you dip the torch in the alcohol, the cotton is coated.. that's what the flame is.. the alcohol burning... if you let the cotton burn, Desdimona says: you risk pieces of the torch falling to the carpet, falling on you, the sub, causing a serious danger. Desdimona says: As for torching the sub, you can apply the torch with or without spraying them with alcohol Desdimona says: When you do it with alcohol, you can let the flame burn on their skin for a really cool effect. It has to be put out right away, tho.. Once the fire burns away the alcohol, guess what burns... your flesh Amanda winces Lavicka shudders MoonClaw wanders in. Desdimona says: And as I mentioned earlier, you ALWAYS have a spotter, preferably 2, in the room with you. you could miss a spot that you touched, and they will (hopefully cat) catch it Desdimona says: This is a type of play where you NEED to be on your guard. You can't let anything get by you, or else someone (your sub) is going to be hurt, very badly Amanda asks: ? Desdimona says: When done right, the flame doesn't hurt... it really does feel like warm velvet being run over your skin. If it hurts, you are doing it wrong. I would also recommend getting some instruction from a Dom/me who has experience with this type of play before Desdimona says: trying it at home Desdimona asks: ok, questions? Anselm asks: ? Amanda says: enigma has the first one Desdimona nods Enigma asks: yes, I may have missed it getting booted, but what about the sprayer? whenm is the sub sprayed? Desdimona says: You don't need to spray the arms... you can, tho. You don't have to always spray them down... it makes it safer for the sub if you do, tho... Desdimona says: The alcohol merely makes for a cool effect. Samantha asks: ? Enigma asks: spray with alcohol? Desdimona says: yes, alcohol Amanda asks: the next question is mine....you mentioned earlier about not letting the alcohol drip. is that because of a danger of the flame spreading beyond where you intented it? Enigma asks: and this is done before the torching? You say: only 1 question to a customer enigma, you have to get back in line Desdimona says: Amanda, yes... and it could run down into very private areas that you DON'T want to have set on fire Caitlyn wanders in. Desdimona says: You always want the alcohol under control, that's why I say, *light mist* Desdimona says: Enigma, yes, you spray *lightly* then torch. BUT you don't have to spray them Desdimona asks: ok, next question? Amanda nods, makes sense....anselm has the next question Anselm asks: The need for spotters seems to make this better for public play rather than private play...? Desdimona says: not really. If you play privately, you still need to have a spotter. If you don't then, you aren't being safe, OR sane Desdimona says: It's not worth risking your sub Desdimona says: or your house, etc. for that matter Amanda says: sam has the last question Samantha asks: if you aren't spraying with alcohol... what ARE you spraying with? water? and what if you don't spray at all? are you just torching plain flesh? Desdimona says: ok Desdimona says: When you play without alcohol, you touch the torch to the flesh, and as soon as you pull it away, you pat the area you just torched.. Samantha gulps..so NOTHING Desdimona nods.. you can do that... Samantha shivers and nods... thank you Desdimona says: I always like to play with alcohol tho... makes cool blue flames on the skin Anselm thinks he's not likely to be doing this anytime soon, or allowing it done to him. :-) Amanda chuckles Desdimona says: I have to confess, I am a fireslut... I love having it done to me, as well as doing it Silverlock wanders in. Desdimona breathes deeply... well, I think this will be a pure q/a period. I have pretty much covered the basics :) Samantha asks: ? Desdimona asks: Sam? Samantha asks: putting the flame out.. do you do it with an object of is it small enough for just your bare hand? Amanda asks: ? Desdimona says: I use my bare hand Samantha whispers..at least she doesnt put it out with MORE alcohol Samantha snickers Desdimona exclaims: lol! I'm not THAT much of a sadist :) Samantha ponders BIG BIG flames Desdimona asks: Amanda? Amanda asks: this is more of a comment than a question...i assume that you always have a first aid kit very close to hand? any special items that should be in it? Samantha asks: burn ointment? Desdimona says: Yes, neosporin or someother ointment for burns Snake says: That green aloe stuff works really well Desdimona nods... Aloe is great Lavicka thinks foil Snake asks: Foil? Desdimona asks: foil? Lavicka says: i think thats the name of it MoonClaw raises a brow .. Lavicka says: its a burn spray Amanda exclaims: oh! im thinking aluminum! Lavicka says: i could be wrong... its something like that anyway Desdimona was pondering bbq with foil Lavicka laughs.. i knew you all would be :) Lavicka will shut up now Amanda giggles, picturing lavicka all shiney and wrapped up Snake chuckles and kisses his pet Desdimona giggles Silverlock suggests Silver idodine for burns. you need a scripe for it Snake chuckles Lavicka giggles, then smiles up at Snake Kerr wanders in. Desdimona asks: anyone else? If I wasn't clear on something, please, ask shadowman wanders in. camilla wanders in. Desdimona says: I cannot stress enough the safety factor involved with fire play. No matter if it is public or private play, always have a spotter, your first aid kit, and common sense around you Desdimona says: If you don't really know what your doing, have someone experienced be with you, and/or give you instruction... Desdimona says: In BDSM, we all are learning new things... this isn't for everyone, but it is a VERY intense form of play. It's not painful if done right, but it WILL psyche your subbie out :) Desdimona says: If there are no other questions, comments, throwing rotten tomatoes at me, then I am done :) Amanda exclaims: thank you so much Desdimona, for a fascinating subject!! a scarey one, but fascinating none the less Samantha reaches for a tomato Lavicka lips to the floor and kisses Snakes feet Desdimona snerks Lavicka says: er.. slips too :) Amanda laughs and applauds....that was wonderful Desdimona, thank you! Samantha giggles..it was GREAT, Desd! Snake claps and woo woos Domaris applauds.. thanks, Desdimona! Snake smiles down at his slave Samantha puts the tomato down and claps loudly Snake says: Night all Lavicka smiles, 'i learned alot' Desdimona says: I hope I've been of some informative source :) Amanda exchanges the cheese and crackers for barbequed weiners Snake waves Snake exits quietly. Amanda says: i think it would be fascinating to watch but it would take a LOT of trust to be the subject Samantha ponders bbq ing amanda after this discussion group Alyana smiles.. thanks Desdimona Desdimona says: ooooh yes.. trust is a MAJOR issue Alyana has to go tho. my cold medicine is making me sleeeeeepy Samantha says: i just called her a weenier.. she would fit the category Samantha looks to Amanda and grabs a torch Desdimona smiles... nite alyana :) Domaris exits quietly. Lavicka says: night aly Amanda bops sam Alyana wanders off to her bed Lavicka exits quietly. Samantha yelps and rubs her spot, putting the torch down sadly Alyana exits quietly. Amanda applauds Desdimona, and offers her the special 'Host' version of the munchies Desdimona exclaims: lolo!